Setting up PowerPod on a second bike

[Velocomp]

It's getting to be the time to ride outdoors, and some of you have more than one bike. PowerPod will work with all of them; simply perform the pairing process each time you move your PowerPod to a different bike.

But here's something cool: your PowerPod can memorize "profiles" for up to four different bikes, and after one-time setup (using Isaac software), PowerPod will automatically figure out which bike you're riding and switch profiles automatically.

If you'd like to use the "profile" and "Automatic Profile Selection" features of PowerPod, here's how to set up PowerPod for a new bike:

1) Connect your PowerPod (PP) to Isaac software

2) Go to "Device/Set Active Profile in Newton..."

3) Select Profile 3 (or profile 2 if you're using a Garmin/PowerPod combo mount). Then, disconnect PP from Isaac.

4) Click the PP button. It should be solid red, indicating that it is ready for setup on your new profile.

5) Follow the normal setup procedure including pairing (IMPORTANT: YOU HAVE TO USE A DIFFERENT SPEED SENSOR FOR EACH BIKE) and 5 minute ride with your new bike

You’ll now have your first bike information stored on Profile 1 and your new bike information stored on the profile you selected.

PowerPod will now work automatically with each of the bikes you've set up. At the end of each day’s ride make sure the PowerPod is without speed signals for at least 20 minutes, so that it goes to sleep.

When you’re ready for the day's ride, wake up the sensors on the bike you’re using. Make sure the sensors on the other bike are asleep (i.e. you did not move the “sleeping” bike around).

Then, wake up the PowerPod. PowerPod will find the sensors of the bike you’re using and it will automatically switch to the profile that is right for that bike. When PowerPod finds your bike's profile the status light will become solid green.

[drumharp]

I wish I had read this post two days ago...

I set up my PowerPod on my road bike a couple of weeks ago and tweaked the profile in the software (I'm 95 kg and 192 cm).

Yesterday, I decided to set up my TT bike to went through the steps 4-6 and did the 5 minute calibration ride. I then road 15 kms and the power readings looked consistently high during this ride. After this ride I went into the software to set up the TT profile. After reading your post below, I'm not sure I'm going to be able to get the PowerPod to recognise each bike and each profile.

Could you please advise? Do I need to reset the PowerPod and start each bike set up again?

Thanks in advance.

[Velocomp]

Please post a .ibr ride file, both from your road bike and your tt bike, and I will try to help you.

[speedracer]

Yesterday I had a strange behaviour when I set up my 3rd bike. I had already mounted the PP to the bike and the sensors were active.

I used the "configure newton" option and went through the setup process. Then I noticed when I wanted to change the wind scaling value that also the sensors (cadance, speed, heart) are already in the profile and the greed light say enabled. When I put out the bike for the calibration ride it was already calibrating. It seemed to start after put in the profile. I never paired the sensors (4 sec button press) but after the right the correct sensors were visible in the ride file. So the PP did include them automatically.

Is that normal behaviour when the sesors are available during setup?
So my lessons learned is to set up the profile when you are away from the bike and the sensors.

[drumharp]

Hi John,

I have attached the most recent road bike ride and also the first 15km TT bike ride that I talked about. I have not had a chance to ride either bike since I set up the TT bike yesterday but hope to get out tomorrow morning.

Cheers,
Adrian

[ogcsmith]

It seems like this is a core difference between the PP and other Power meters: the ease of movement between bikes.

However, I too am having some issues. I setup one bike and calibrated. All seemed okay.

I then transferred to the second bike (the mount is not ideal here and tilted forward a bit). After calibration the power was way high. So I went into Isaac to see if I could change the profile ( the second bike is on a combo mount).

First issue, when I import the ride for some reason it tries to add it to the first profile even though that was using a different speed sensor. So I copied the existing profile and modified each profile with the correct wireless id for each sensor.

Second issue, I can't see a way to change the profile in Isaac for Mac apart from the drop down at the bottom to set Active Profile which I guess I need to leave alone. I think I need so change this due to the different mount on bike 2.

Anyway, I go out to test on bike 1 after the changes and it takes awhile for my Garmin 520 to pickup the PP. Eventually it does but the power readings are now way low. I recalibrate again and we seem to be okay on bike 1 but I'm not convinced bike 2 is good. I have given up for the moment!!

Given how core this is to the product, would it be possible to write some step by step instructions (with screenshots!) on how to setup each bike, when to stop and use Isaac, and when to test? It seems that things have to be done in the precise order or it all screws up.

Thanks

Oliver

[Velocomp]

Give us a few days and we will make a video about this; you have a very good suggestion here.

[speedracer]

I also struggelt a bit in the beginning with the profiles. From my experience it only works via the "Edit Profile" Option and not via the "Send Profile to Newton" Option.

You need to select the profile you want to see/touch in the device (Set Active Profile in Device) - red arrow. Then you can apply the profile selected on the left to the position in the device by "Sent to device" - red circle. Not to mess anything up I do it that way that I use the "Extract from Device" function, then modify the profile and play it back. By doing this you cannot mess anything up by selecting the wrong profile.



Hope this helps!

[drumharp]

I ended up doing the factory reset and started from scratch to set up and calibrate my road bike and TT bike. Both work well now and I can change the PP from bike to bike and it automatically recognises which bike I am on. It does take a couple of button clicks at the start of the ride to recognise the bike but then it works fine.

I am wondering if I need to tweak some of the settings on my road bike profile. I have attached three recent rides:
-10 x 3.5km loops on the TT bike
-10 x 3.5km loops on the road bike (same course as TT bike, very similar conditions, no wind, warm evening). The average and normalised power for this ride look to be overestimated compared with the above TT bike ride which has pretty much the same average power but a higher HR average.
-100km ride on the road bike where the average power was close to 300W for 3 hrs. I'd like to think this was right but I'm pretty sure this is overestimating my effort.

Could you please advise if and what settings I need to change on either or both bikes to make them more accurate.

Cheers

[speedracer]

You need to do an out-and-back ride to find the right wind scaling value. I had similar issue.
The default wind scaling vlaues of 1.4 (handlebar mount) and 1.7 (combo mount) do not always fit exactly. Even same mount on two different bikes might mean you need to use different wind scaling.

See my results: http://ibikeforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=93&t=3524#p19252

Here is how it's done: http://ibikeforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=9 ... ion#p19236

[ogcsmith]

Any news on the video for setting up the two bikes in the right way?

I just got a new mount so now have 3 bikes to do

Thanks

Oliver

[Velocomp]

Any news on the video for setting up the two bikes in the right way?

I just got a new mount so now have 3 bikes to do

Thanks

Oliver

Here:

http://www.ibikeforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=93&t=3567

[ktula]

Any news on the video for setting up the two bikes in the right way?

I just got a new mount so now have 3 bikes to do

Thanks

Oliver

Here:

http://www.ibikeforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=93&t=3567

Why is it necessary to use specific profiles for specific mounts?

[Velocomp]

We have wind scaling factors of 1.4 (handlebar mount) loaded into profiles 1,3 and 4

Wind scaling is 1.7 (combo mount) in profile 2.

If you do an out and back and use "Check Calibration" you can use any profile you want for any mount.

[kervelo]

i have now done the setup of the PP to my second bike and everything seems to be working fine. However, I still need to do some fine tuning of the profile, for example adjust the weight and tyre diameter details. I will first do the check-calibration and after that change the details.

Can I check the calibration using the file from the first ever ride with the second bike: the file contains the 5 min calibration ride and then some two hours of additional riding? Or should I do another ride and use the data from that for checking the calibration?

[ianc]

OK, so based on these instructions, I finally have two profiles.

If I go to "Edit Profiles":
- Wilier Profile (PP mount)
- Fuji Ride Profile (Garmin Dual Mount)

Oddly when I go to "Set Active Profile in Newton". The entries are as follows:

1: Fuji Profile (Garmin Dual Mount)
2: Fuji Profile (Garmin Dual Mount)
3: Unsaved (type: None)
4: Unsaved (type: None)

Clicking around blindly to try to actually get both profiles onto the PP, I found "Send Profile to iBike".
I choose "Wilier Profile (PP mount)" and "Send to iBike". I get a "Profile Set" confirmation.

Now I go to "Device -> Set Active Profile in Newton". The entries are as follows:

1: Wilier Profile (PP mount)
2: Fuji Profile (Garmin Dual Mount)
3: Unsaved (type: None)
4: Unsaved (type: None)

Ok, so far so good.

"Edit Profiles -> Profiles (Drag to Move)" - Why would I drag? Is ordering important? If I move Fuji to the top and Wilier to the bottom, then "Send to Device" it doesn't seem to have any effect.

Just did a 10 minute ride on my first bike, but the Isaac software seems to think it was with my second bike. And there's no way I can find to determine which profile was "detected". I thought maybe I could go to "Edit Profile -> Wireless IDs" and verify. The cadence sensor IDs in the profile match the ID reported by Garmin for each profile, but neither of the Speed IDs match.

I thought the profile was supposed to be determined based on the ID of the speed sensor, but that doesn't actually seem to be happening. Either that or the profiles are mislabled. Oh, and it took about 10 minutes for my PowerPod to finally pair with the head unit once I got outside on the road. What could be causing that? Maybe the PowerPod is as confused as I am...

[ianc]

...OBE...

[ianc]

Ok, was able to clean things up a bit with speedracer's instructions:

http://www.ibikeforum.com/viewtopic.php ... 559#p19295

Now I've got:

1: Fuji
2: Wilier
3: Fuji
4: Fuji

Looks like there's no mechanism to remove profiles 3 & 4, but I don't suppose that matters. I guess my next questions are:

- Why doesn't the speed sensor IDs match up between the PowerPod and Garmin? Might that have something to do with why the pairing is taking a long time?
- If I explicitly set a profile for the next ride via "Set Active Profile in Newton", how do I tell the PowerPod to go back to auto-detecting? I can't find any auto-detect option, just a specific profile. Is that "active profile" only for the next ride? Does it expire--in other words, if I set the next active profile, then *don't* do a ride, does it revert back to auto-detect?

After my test ride, looking at the ibr file, the only way I was able to determine which profile was used is to look at the weight and CdA fields in the Advanced Stats view.

[tombishop]

I'd also like to know how to get PowerPod to go back to auto detecting after forcing the use of a profile

[albafar]

I'm stuck with the same issue. Cannot get it to auto select between my two profiles John - any suggestions?

[Velocomp]

I'd also like to know how to get PowerPod to go back to auto detecting after forcing the use of a profile

Let the PowerPod "sleep" (no speed signals) for 20 minutes. Then, click the button to awaken it. This will put it into sensor scan mode.

[ianc]

I'm stuck with the same issue. Cannot get it to auto select between my two profiles John - any suggestions?

Do you have two distinct speed sensors--one on each bike? From what I understand the profile is tied to the unique speed sensor for each bike.

[albafar]

I'm stuck with the same issue. Cannot get it to auto select between my two profiles John - any suggestions?

Do you have two distinct speed sensors--one on each bike? From what I understand the profile is tied to the unique speed sensor for each bike.

Yes I have different sensor sets for each bike. But I have just replaced one of them with the Garmin magnetless as I had cadence issues (Isaac thought I had been coasting most of a 18 K TT......) But I haven't had the chance to work on the shift from one bike to the other sine then.

[DrMatt]

iBike_06_25_2016_0816_5_Miles.ibr

Tri bike, tri/garmin mount on aerobars

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iBike_06_20_2016_2026_5_Miles.ibr

Road bike standard setup

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Need help. was fine with first bike, but after doing a calibration with my second can't seem to get the right settings. I'm using different speed sensors for each bike. Getting some wacky wind scaling values. Please let me know what settings to stick with each profile

[Velocomp]

Your 6/20 TT bike ride is fine. There is a little bit of noise in your speed signal, so you might want to position the speed sensor on your front hub.

Your 6/25 ride is problematic:

1) wind readings are very jumpy

2) Wind scaling is really high (7.5)

3) Temperature curve is "flat" (this is hidden)

Do the following:

1) press-hold the PP button for about 10 seconds, until it flashes off briefly and then resets the unit

2) Try another ride with your 6/25 bike. Make sure the wind sensor is not blocked

Please post the ride file

[DrMatt]

Thanks John,
the 6/20 ride was a road bike btw. I repeated today's ride as you suggested--the numbers seem more reasonable (this is the TT bike). see what you think. Also, how do i ensure that the profile generated from the cal ride is loaded? It seems new profiles keep getting generated and it's hard to track which is the correct one.

[Velocomp]

These numbers are reasonable. Looks like the Hard Reset did the trick!

The profile is tied to the wireless IDs of your bike.

[DrMatt]

These numbers are reasonable. Looks like the Hard Reset did the trick!

The profile is tied to the wireless IDs of your bike.

Thanks---should I use the numbers/profile after I do the analyze function on the cal ride or just leave it?

[rickyt]

Hi...i am a new user here. In my case i decided to set up my TT bike to went through the steps 4-6 and did the 5 minute calibration ride. I then road 15 kms and the power readings looked consistently high during this ride. After this ride I went into the software to set up the TT profile.

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