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Re: Comprehensive Instructions for AeroPod

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 6:25 am
by TuRu00
COMPREHENSIVE INSTRUCTIONS ARE NEAR THE BOTTOM OF THIS THREAD.

Hello!!

Having a look to the instructions I feel a little bit disappointed. Things like...

"NOTE: When a heart rate (HR) strap is NOT paired to AeroPod, CdA-related data is recorded in the heart rate channel. When a HR strap IS paired to AeroPod, AeroPod will record your HR data, but you will NOT see the CdA-related data."

"CdA measurement is done ONLY in profile 4."

CdA and the other *new data* is not exported to CSV (via Isaac)

CdA is not written to .fit on Garmin (via APP, i understand that something is out of your hands...)

Are, in my opinion, very limiting on a NEW DEVICE. I do have two bikes and both with DFPM. ¿What should i do? ¿New pairing every change? That it is not portable as announced...

I think that a complete analysis (on Isaac, GoldenCheetah, anywhere) is important to have all the data together. Cant understand why is impossible to have all on the same platform (XXI century, new developed device) and... also ¿why didn't you told us about this limitations before?

Thanks!

Re: Comprehensive Instructions for AeroPod

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:57 am
by Velocomp
Thank you for your comments. We know there is a lot that is new and different in AeroPod, and as people read-through things we will need to provide some clarifications.

1) We intentionally restrict CdA to profile 4 only. CdA is a sensitive measurement. Even with one bike, if you are doing CdA testing we recommend a cal ride before each day's testing. If you have two bikes, both with DFPM, you will do a new pairing when you move AeroPod. The new pairing will force a new calibration ride, which is critical to best CdA measurement accuracy. The calibration itself doesn't take very long...about 10 minutes of riding. That is a small investment to make to get this incredible measurement.

2) If you pair a HR strap in any profile other than profile 4, you won't affect HR/CdA data in profile 4.

3) You're correct that CdA, per-se, is not exported in the csv. But CdA proxy IS, through HR.

4) Golden Cheetah is an open-source application. I am sure some enterprising programmer can take AeroPod HR data, multiply it by 4, then divide by 1000, to get CdA.

5) Complete CdA analysis is available on Isaac.

Please remember that this is a release 1.0 product. If you have followed our actions over the past 14 years (!), you will see that we constantly improve things and add features. Stay tuned...

Re: Comprehensive Instructions for AeroPod

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:53 am
by orange
Is there a reason that the ConnectIQ data field isn't in the connectiq app store - much easier to install and keep track of updates ?

Also I don't quite understand why CdA data can't be written to the fit file - other data fields do this (http://developer.garmin.com/downloads/c ... butor.html) it would mean you could see the data in GC

Re: Comprehensive Instructions for AeroPod

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:21 pm
by Velocomp
We are trying to get things out to market.

Once we have updated the app with .fit compatibility we will work on getting it into their app store.

Patience...

Re: Comprehensive Instructions for AeroPod

Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:42 am
by EHB
Hi, can I clarify something as regards the Aeropod in anticipation of receiving one.

Does the phone have capability to connect to Bluetooth Heart Rate monitors and if a Garmin device is connected to a HRM, will it’s file (in the future)contain both CdA and HR data simultaneously?

I guess a subquestion is if I record HR data using a HRM with a memory or another separate device can the data be imported and merged into Isaac?

Thanks!

Re: Comprehensive Instructions for AeroPod

Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:42 pm
by Velocomp
EHB wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:42 am

1) Does the phone have capability to connect to Bluetooth Heart Rate monitors and if a Garmin device is connected to a HRM, will it’s file (in the future)contain both CdA and HR data simultaneously?

2) I guess a subquestion is if I record HR data using a HRM with a memory or another separate device can the data be imported and merged into Isaac?

Thanks!
1) What phone are you referring to?

2) If you record HR data on the Garmin, then it's possible to merge HR data into Isaac. However, when you do this merge, the CdA data from your ride file will be overwritten.

Re: Comprehensive Instructions for AeroPod

Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 4:35 pm
by Velocomp
Updated October 19, 2018

UPDATED SEPT 7 2018: ADDED NEW ITEM 8: "USING AEROPOD AS A STAND-ALONE POWER METER"
UPDATED SEPT 8 2018: CORRECTED THE ISAAC MAC SOFTWARE INSTRUCTIONS SECTION, ITEM 7
UPDATED SEPT 11 2018: MINOR CORRECTIONS TO AEROPOD OPERATING INSTRUCTIONS, ITEM 4.
UPDATED SEPT 13 2018: ADDED VIDEO: "HOW TO ATTACH AEROPOD TT MOUNT TO BIKE"
UPDATED SEPT 13 2018: ADDED ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS FOR ISAAC MAC SOFTWARE INSTALLATION, ITEM 6
UPDATED OCT 7 2018: ADDED POWERSTROKE INSTRUCTIONS, ITEM 10.
UPDATED OCT 7 2018: ADDED MORE DETAIL TO "AEROPOD CALIBRATION INSTRUCTIONS" TO EXPLAIN THE MEANING OF AEROPOD STATUS LIGHTS.
UPDATED OCT 7 2018: ADDED MORE DETAIL TO "AEROPOD TIPS AND TROUBLESHOOTING" TO EXPLAIN THE MEANING OF AEROPOD STATUS LIGHTS.
UPDATED OCT 8 2018: ADDED "GPS TRACKER INSTRUCTIONS"
UPDATED OCT 19 2018: ADDED ITEM 11: LINK TO "AEROPOD SETUP AND INSTALLATION VIDEO"
UPDATED NOV 16, 2018: ADDED TO "AEROPOD TIPS AND TROUBLESHOOTING" TO EXPLAIN SENSOR PAIRING AND CALIBRATION IN MORE DETAIL.
AeroPod_TIPS_TROUBLESHOOTING111618.pdf
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There are eleven different instructions/resources/guides for AeroPod:

0. Refer to "GPS Tracker Instructions" to learn how to set up your smartphone and AeroPod to add GPS tracking to your AeroPod ride files
1. Refer to “AeroPod Basic Setup Instructions” to for pictorial instructions regarding attaching AeroPod to your bike, pairing AeroPod to your sensors, and calibration
2. Refer to “AeroPod Calibration Instructions” for detailed instructions related to calibrating AeroPod
3. For Garmin owners, refer to “AeroPod Garmin Connect IQ Instructions” to learn how to download the AeroPod CdA app and configure the app for
your Garmin bike computer
4. Refer to “AeroPod Operating Instructions” for detailed instructions regarding CdA measurement, AeroPod operation, use of Isaac software, and Tips
and Troubleshooting
5. Refer to “AeroPod Tips and Troubleshooting” for answers to frequently asked questions
6. Refer to "Isaac Software Installation" for installation instructions.
7. Refer to "Isaac Software Instructions" for detailed instructions for using Isaac software
8. Refer to "AeroPod_Power" instructions regarding setup and use of AeroPod in power measurement mode
9. Click this link to view the video "How to attach TT mount to bike" https://youtu.be/wy1D3UUKkqo
10. Refer to PowerStroke Instructions for detailed description of the PowerStroke feature
11. Refer to this link for AeroPod Setup and Calibration video: https://youtu.be/198XSnl6gnA



All of these are attached here for easy reference.

Re: Comprehensive Instructions for AeroPod

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:40 am
by EHB
Velocomp wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:42 pm
EHB wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:42 am

1) Does the phone have capability to connect to Bluetooth Heart Rate monitors and if a Garmin device is connected to a HRM, will it’s file (in the future)contain both CdA and HR data simultaneously?

2) I guess a subquestion is if I record HR data using a HRM with a memory or another separate device can the data be imported and merged into Isaac?

Thanks!
1) What phone are you referring to?

2) If you record HR data on the Garmin, then it's possible to merge HR data into Isaac. However, when you do this merge, the CdA data from your ride file will be overwritten.
Apologies for the slow response, I forgot where I’d asked. The phone is an iPhone 6S running the latest OS.

Incidentally, I think you mentioned somewhere Golden Cheetah and needing to program it. In the latest version you can actually adjust data personally without programming. Haven’t use it much myself, but I’ve seen screenshots. Looked about as complex as doing a macro in Microsoft excel.user guide is terrible though. I assume it is there somewhere.

Re: Comprehensive Instructions for AeroPod

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:47 am
by EHB
From their website:

“From version 3.4 it has been possible for the user to write their own metrics using data filters, as of version 3.5 it is now possible to use Python and R scripts to perform computations as well” - so they should be shareable!

Re: Comprehensive Instructions for AeroPod

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:51 am
by EHB
Incidentally the development build Of GC syncs to Strava. If you got your software to sync to Strava too there would be an indirect automatic route for people.

Re: Comprehensive Instructions for AeroPod

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:37 am
by BillOsler
Velocomp wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:57 am

4) Golden Cheetah is an open-source application. I am sure some enterprising programmer can take AeroPod HR data, multiply it by 4, then divide by 1000, to get CdA.
That means the CdA data in the HR field is rounded to the nearest 0.004. Is that the limit of the precision of the estimate? Or is the rounding an artifact of the limitations of the HR data field?
I'm hoping that once you have the ability to write CdA to a FIT file you will be able to generate more precise data than 0.004 but I don't know what the limits of the technique might be.

Re: Comprehensive Instructions for AeroPod

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:12 am
by Velocomp
HR/CdA value recorded in the ride file includes a rounding of the HR field to the nearest whole number.

Note that CdA is measured over a period of a few minutes, and that Average HR (i.e. average CdA) is calculated to the nearest 1/10. This improves the HR resolution to 0.002...

As an alternative, open the ride file in Isaac, then use the "Tools/CdA analysis..." feature to determine CdA. This feature works with the raw data in the ride file, not the HR data.

Re: Comprehensive Instructions for AeroPod

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:53 pm
by BillOsler
Velocomp wrote:
Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:12 am
As an alternative, open the ride file in Isaac, then use the "Tools/CdA analysis..." feature to determine CdA. This feature works with the raw data in the ride file, not the HR data.
Thanks. That's a viable option for now ... but long term I'd MUCH rather do all of my analysis in WKO4 ... preferably using a "developer" data field instead of the HR channel.

Re: Comprehensive Instructions for AeroPod

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 7:03 pm
by Velocomp
Agreed. There is a lot to do...