AeroPod CdA Connect IQ app for Garmin

ChrisW
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Re: AeroPod CdA Connect IQ app for Garmin

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In 2018, you admitted that showing wind speed in mph even when the device units is set to metric was a bug. In 2019, someone asked when this would be fixed. It's now 2020 and it STILL hasn't been fixed. Doing mental unit conversions in my head while riding is not so much fun.

Is this something that can be fixed soon? If it's too complicated to do so then maybe you could give two links to different versions of the app, one that shows metric units and one that shows imperial units. It can't be that hard. Having a high-tech device that can only display awkward and unscientific units of measurement seems very incongruous.

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Re: AeroPod CdA Connect IQ app for Garmin

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When we created the ConnectIQ app we did not implement metric units. So, its absence is a missing feature, not a bug.

As I have reported elsewhere, we have been waiting for Garmin to implement an aero profile. It makes little sense to spend effort on our app if a standard profile is coming.

We will think about implementing an additional version of the app, with metric units.
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Re: AeroPod CdA Connect IQ app for Garmin

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Update: our app developer is busy with other projects. A metric version of our app will not happen in the near future.

If you know a developer who is familiar with ConnectIQ apps please email me at jhamann@velocomp.com. Perhaps we can work out something.
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Re: AeroPod CdA Connect IQ app for Garmin

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Great! forgot just the 90% of the world.

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Re: AeroPod CdA Connect IQ app for Garmin

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Velocomp wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:47 pm
When we created the ConnectIQ app we did not implement metric units. So, its absence is a missing feature, not a bug.
"Major oversight" would be a more appropriate description than "missing feature", this is part of basic functionality.

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Re: AeroPod CdA Connect IQ app for Garmin

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ChrisW wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:33 am
Velocomp wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:47 pm
When we created the ConnectIQ app we did not implement metric units. So, its absence is a missing feature, not a bug.
"Major oversight" would be a more appropriate description than "missing feature", this is part of basic functionality.
The purpose of our ConnectIQ app is to display AeroPod's unique data: CdA and Time Advantage. Real-time display of wind and slope is not required for CdA/Time Advantage presentation, so these data are a bonus, not part of basic functionality.

That said, it certainly would be nice to have wind data presentable in metric units (though this would add to the complexity of the app).

This is an active topic also on the PowerPod forum, so I thought I would link it here:

https://velocompforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=93&t=5471

Here is a summarization of everything:

1) Garmin has not yet implemented a standardized aero profile
2) When Garmin eventually issues the profile, both sensors (AeroPod) and bike computers (Garmin, Wahoo) will need to implement the profile in order for it to have any utility. In other words, until Garmin et al creates screens which display CdA data, it will make no difference if AeroPod transmits it in their standard format. We have zero control over bike computer development schedules.
3) Our ConnectIQ app was developed about 2 years ago. We have asked our developer to update our app to add a metric version. His response was that, in order to update the app, he first has to update his macOS. The last time he updated his macOS it "broke" many of his critical development tools, such that it took him a couple of weeks to get his computer working again. He is thus unwilling to update his macOS, and I can't fault him for that decision.

We originally created our ConnectIQ app with the thought that the app would be a short-term bridge to the anticipated standard CdA profile being worked-on by Garmin. Clearly, it has taken much longer than we expected.

If you would like to work on creating a metric version of our app, please email me at jhamann@velocomp.com
John Hamann

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Re: AeroPod CdA Connect IQ app for Garmin

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Do the draft/beta proposals for an ANT CdA profile include non wind speed and aero drag measurements?
Are any other AeroPod relevant profiles being proposed for addition to the standard (e.g. altimeter or accelerometer)?
I'm thinking about measurements like altitude, barometric pressure, slope/grade, attitude etc.
I would like to select individual items that aeropod measures (or calculates) as single data fields in the screens I set up on my garmin bike computer.
If items like altitude and slope/grade are not being added to the standard, would velocomp consider a separate IQ app (or apps) to make these items available as single item data fields?

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Re: AeroPod CdA Connect IQ app for Garmin

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ted.kelly wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:57 pm
Do the draft/beta proposals for an ANT CdA profile include non wind speed and aero drag measurements?
Are any other AeroPod relevant profiles being proposed for addition to the standard (e.g. altimeter or accelerometer)?
I'm thinking about measurements like altitude, barometric pressure, slope/grade, attitude etc.
I would like to select individual items that aeropod measures (or calculates) as single data fields in the screens I set up on my garmin bike computer.
If items like altitude and slope/grade are not being added to the standard, would velocomp consider a separate IQ app (or apps) to make these items available as single item data fields?
We have very dated knowledge of Garmin's aero profile development activity. We have chosen not to be participants in the aero profile development; there are important reasons for this.

That said, what little we know makes us believe that the entire "kitchen sink" of every possible aero parameter is being tossed into the aero profile. Your desired list is only the tip of their iceberg...

What is important to understand here is that the aero profile covers two topics: what the sensor transmits, and what the bike computer displays. If the profile specification included, as an example, the phase of the moon at the time of the aero testing, then an aero sensor might, potentially, include moon phase information in its aero data transmission. But even it it did transmit the moon's phase, the phase of the moon would be shown on the bike computer screen only if the bike computer manufacturer chose to display it.

In other words, we have zero control of what aero information the bike computer manufacturer chooses to display from the aero profile data transmitted, and in what format. Single field selection is totally out of our control.

Could we use a standardized aero profile to create a new ConnectIQ app? Sure, but then what is the point of adopting the aero profile? ConnectIQ apps work only on Garmin products, and there are a lot of bike computer manufacturers other than Garmin. We would like to move to a standard aero profile, but that is so that we can get out of the business of developing ConnectIQ apps.
John Hamann

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