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Elevation "Instability"

Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:51 pm
by pjboyle
For some time I have been seeing my elevation data jumping erratically throughout the ride. I have attached a recent ride file. I live in south Louisiana, and the areas I typically ride (such as this ride) are 100% F__L__A__T. A five foot elevation change would seem like the Galibier here. Looking at the ride data, I have no idea what occurred between miles 7.5 to 8.5. To see this much slope I would have had to accidently ride up the face of the Mississippi River levee and back down three times. But this is not even the effect I am talking about. I am looking at all the points where the elevation curve will suddenly 'drop out' and go instantly from +25 feet to -25 feet of elevation, and then back up a few seconds later. When I look at the actual data in the table these jumps are instantaneous from one data point to the next. Reviewing a sampling of my rides, it did not do this for the first couple of months after I installed the iBike. This started in about June.

Other data: I have the old iBike Pro model, wireless stem mount. Mount seems quite solid to me, but I did need to add some tape to the battery cover to assure good contact was maintained with the mount (without the tape I was occasionally getting wirless fail in the middle of rides). I see pretty much the same effect whether logging at one second or five seconds. I have Rotor elliptical chainwheels and originally I was concerned that perhaps these could screw up the power readings due to pulsations from variable effective chainwheel size around the pedal cycle, but I've never been able to see any ill effects. The attached file was for a solo ride, but I see the same effect for a ride in a paceline. I did a couple of rides in Austin TX a month or so ago and on hilly terrain I still see this 'ragged' effect on the elevation data with the momentary shifts down and back.

There is not a huge amount of traffic where I ride but I am wondering if vehicles overtaking me at fairly high speed could suck down the altimeter reading or a similar effect. When I shift the x axis to time and blow the curve up to 2 mins full scale, it appears these drops last between 20-25 seconds each time. At the speeds I ride and the speed of the traffic, it does not take them this long to get by me! But perhaps if the altimeter response is fairly slow to abrupt changes?? Any ideas would be appreciated.

P.J. Boyle

Re: Elevation "Instability"

Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:48 am
by rruff
My altimeter jumps sometimes when I do a wind offset, but I don't think it has ever happened while just riding

Re: Elevation "Instability"

Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 4:40 am
by beatleandrew
Was there ever a resolution for this issue with elevation instability?

I ask because I have always seen erratic jumps in my elevation readings using my iBike Pro (gen 2 with vibration reduction kit). I did a session on the turbo trainer last night (not in trainer mode though), so there should be no change in elevation or tilt for the duration, and yet I see in my log several places in which the elevation suddenly drops 10-30 metres and then returns to, or close to, its starting point. The battery has been replaced recently and is currently at 294.

This gives a completely inaccurate picture of my rides, as it looks like I've done much more climbing than I actually have. I always thought that this was down to the iBike being sensitive to bumps, but the vibration reduction kit did nothing to help and the fact that I'm getting the problem even when using a turbo trainer is just silly. So is my unit faulty or am I doing something wrong?

Re: Elevation "Instability"

Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 6:19 am
by Velocomp
Please send me a ride file. jhamann@velocomp.com

Re: Elevation "Instability"

Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:25 pm
by tosterbe
I am very curious as to what is found in your ride file. I just ordered an upgrade from a Gen 1 to Gen 3 today as I started to have problems with elevation issues starting in March. The ride that caused me to open a support case was during a 'weird weather day' here in NorCal. In the matter of an hour, we had high 60s with sun, rain and hail. iBike recorded about 2500ft of climbing for this ride. Normally, the iBike records around 1000-1250 for this route. We chalked this up to weather and potentially a bad tilt. The problem happened again this past weekend during a very windy but sunny ride. iBike registered 7500 ft of climbing on this ride when it the route normally is 3000-3250.

Working with support was good as always and in the end, I ordered the upgrade. I am looking forward to fixing this issue as well as the other goodies the Gen 3 has.

Todd

Re: Elevation "Instability"

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 6:41 am
by Velocomp
beatleandrew has a Gen II iBike and a wireless mount. The wireless mount with the Gen I/Gen II iBike can cause elevation notches, due to interaction between the mount and the iBike. There is a simple fix for this. If you're having problems with elevation notches email me at jhamann@velocomp.com and please include a ride file that shows your problem.